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[somerdaye]

Yeah, we were bashing Breaking Dawn in an RP, so I thought we might as well have a seperate topic for it altogether xD

So, yeah.

Keep in mind that I only refer to 'Renesmee' as 'Bella's spawn'.

My issues with BD, put in short.

-Bella's spawn being perfect.
-Bella getting two powers and being incredibly strong. (Although the Emmett/Bella arm wrestle thing was totally epic)
-Leah and Jacob NOT HOOKING UP!
-Jacob imprinting on BELLA'S SPAWN! Like, what the hell!?
-Charlie being so...okay with the wedding. That's so stupid.
-The fact that Bella was so desperate for sex. (Though, I suppose that's understandable)
-Alice leaving. (it makes sense, it just bothered me.)
-Bella being surprised about being so beautiful

Redeemable things in BD.

-Jacob. Just...Jacob.
-Leah.
-Seth.
-That J Jenks guy who was terrified of Jasper. Ahaha, Jasper's awesome
-Jacob almost trashing Edward's car.
-The Dasey-ness of Leah/Jake.
-The wedding was pretty cute - until Bella mentioned that she was gonna screw Edward, and Jacob lost his mind.
-Alice.
-Jasper.
-EMMETT. His humor on everything made it awesome

But yes. That's my opinion. What do you guys think?

And yeah, go ahead and bash SM all you want, too xD We all know she's just a wannabe JKR who writes sappy romantic stuff that is kinda good - but the happy ending made me want to hurl.

DISCUSS!

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[PinkJelly]

Copied & pasted.

I doubt I'd give a ** about Twilight, if not for Jacob and basically...EVERYONE that is NOT Bella or Renesme. Renesme is a bigger Sue than Sally, even. That fucking spawn that ruined every blackwater shipper's dreams. 18 forever? Are you kidding me? With special powers that make everyone love her automatically? Are you FUCKING kidding me? I like Edward, I do. He's a Gary Stu, but like you said, in Midnight Sun it's shown that he has flaws, he's not completely perfect like Renestard. Hell, even Bella has some flaws (though she gets TWO powers and is stronger than even Edward, What the hell?!). But nooo, little Nessie is fucking perfect. Everything works out in your world, doesn't it, SM? (Except for poor screwed over Leah, but of course, shez not perfect so lyk it doesnt matter!!!111)

I have a theory that SM is doing this as a PR stunt. She's insert_your_favorite_insult_here enough. And then, after a while, she's gonna be like, "omg so lyk Imma rite it evn tho i dun want 2 becuz im so gud 2 mi fans, so buy itt!!11", so she can make more money off of Midnight Sun. And yes, but I don't think we can compare SM to JKR for...obvious reasons. Oh, Harry Potter. I miss those good days when I DON'T wanna stick a fork in the heroine's eyes.

And, did you hear that she's making a encyclopedia for Twilight? And she wants Breaking Dawn to be split into two movies? Transparent much, SM? Face it, you'll never be JKR. Embrace that fact and stop acting like such a wannabe, because you're coming across as one.

My god, it feels good to get this off my chest.

Oh, and look at THIS, taken off her website about what happens to Leah:

She has absolutely no romantic interest in Jacob, and the whole Nessie thing only bothers her in that it ties her to the vampires.

I've only got one thing to say.

UP YOURS, STEPHENIE MEYER.
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[somerdaye]

Urgh, Leah/Jake not happening annoyed me so much.

And if anything, it would make more sense for BD to be split into three movies, cause, ya know, it's three books in one!! Sigh, SM totally let fame get to her head. Twilight was good, New Moon was EPIC, Eclipse was awesome, and BD was...ehhh...all because of her getting famous. I mean, HP never got any worse - actually, the more well-known it became, the better it got!

Long live Harry Potter.
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[MaybeBaby27]

[spiffyPAJAMAS]

I remember when Bella first got pregnant, I was like, "That baby needs to die."

Seriously, I hated it so much. It made me hate Rosalie, too. Yes, it is an 'it'.

Leah/Jacob kind of... made my life. The only thing better would have been Jacob/Alice. Those two were too cuteee. D: He's her painkiller... guh... -dies again-

I hate SM because she has everyone have their significant other. It's like, EVER HEAR THE WORD 'BREAKUP', STEPHENIE? DO IT. Jasper and Alice pissed me off, and when I re-read the series I had completely forgottten Emmett and Rosalie were a thing and I almost gagged because they do NOT click.. It was just so stupid.

Long live: Rosalie/Edward, Bella/Jasper, Alice/Jacob, Jacob/Leah.
Yep yep. That's all it is.

All I know is that I hate Twilight now and I hope the movie crashes and burns.
And I thought Harry Potter 7 would be the worst thing to kill an obsession.
(Harry should have died. Neville should have been the hero. Oh, and Harry and Tonks should have gotten together. I'm done.)

Phewww, sorry about that. :'DD
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[Lady Azura]

^ Amen to that.

I hated BD... but everyone I know loved it and I was just like, "Um.. yeah... sure. Whatever."

The only thing I liked about it was the honeymoon scene ('cause it made me laugh my ass off), the Jacob/Rosalie bantering, and... a few other things, but not many.

[spiffyPAJAMAS]

I love when the villain wins. I love unhappy endings, too. We were talking about a movie (I don't want to give away the twist, so it remains anonymous) and how it doesn't have a happy ending because the good guy dies and the bad guy wins, and this one girl was like, "Omgggggggg. I HATED that movie, it was HORRIBBLEEE, LYK bcuz it WASN'T a happy endings. That's why I LUVVV Harry Potter, especially the seventh book, BCUZ IT WUZ HAPY, AND HARRY DIDNT DIE."

True words right there. She actually misspelled words while speaking out loud. I swear.

I remember I was watching The Dark Knight, and the Joker was falling down towards the concrete and I was like, "OMG NO, DON'T DIEEEE! D:" (I seriously still have a heart attack every time I watch that scene. I'm insane.)

But, getting off topic, my soul died while reading Breaking Dawn. I'm glad I'm not the only one who thought the whole imprinting thing with Jacob was stupid. Everything was imprinting in Twilight, I swear. It's like, once something happens, nothing can be reversed. Nobody can make one mistake or else the world will implode. Hell, I would have been happy with Jacob/Bella just to have some fucking anarchy.

I like books with chaos. Though, to be fair, too much chaos (-coughGOSSIPGIRLBOOKScoughcough-) is insane.

The ONE book that had a ending I liked was Thirteen Reasons Why. It was still a depressing ending but it had that little spark of hope that made me realize that it was the most ingenious ending I've ever read. (You should read the book, it's about a girl's suicide. Way happy stuff.)

Anyway, I was Team Edward when I first read Twilight. I can't believe I was ever that stupid because Edward speaks like he's a living (dead? whatever) poem. Speak like somebody who's modern, boy. Nobody says "And thuslyyy, the lion fell in love with the lamb. WHOMEVER hath said this, shall be REWARDED for their fantabulously wonderful speaking talents of thus." [dramatization, don't bug me if this dialogue does not make sense. And I'm pretty sure it should be whoever. Shut up.]

And also, I totally got some Jacob/Rosalie vibes while reading BD. I would have shipped them if I didn't want to murder Rosalie.
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[somerdaye]

I think Lolly's video pretty much covers all our hate for it.

WARNING. STRONG LANGUAGE IN VIDEO.


Link

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[Daseyislife]

YES!
That video...speaks all of my opinions.
I LOVED the parts with Jacob and Leah, but then all of a sudden the stupid little spawn came along and Jacob just HAD to imprint didn't he?! And not do anything about it?!?! WHAT THE HELL, SM?! WHAT THE HELL!!!!
I would have been happier if the stupid spawn was a boy! And seriously, what is up with its NAME?!
RENESMEE? RENESMEE?!
How RETARDED!
"Oh, I want to name her after Renee and Esme because I'm SUCH a wonderful daughter; blah, blah, fucking blah." (dramatization)
I was thoroughly pissed at BD that I didn't even finish it.
My friend and I spend most of lunch bashing the stupid Renesmee/Jacob (pedophilia, much?!?! WHAT THE FUCK, MEYER?! What kind of fucking sick things are going through your head?!) thing and talking about how poor Leah was SCREWED OVER!
How in the WORLD can you screw over LEAH?!
I LOVED that girl; she was one of my favorite characters. She wasn't all primp and prissy and perfect *coughBELLA&COMPANYcough*. RAAAWR!
I was getting sick of the vampires because of this book. The only one that I really liked was Alice! Jasper a smidge, but I don't think he should be with Alice...*coughJASPER/SOME RANDOM GIRLcough* and kill Bella. Why didn't Bella die?! WHY?!
And the powers....powerS. What the FUCK?! This is shit! SHIT! I was pissed at HP7, but this went WAY passed that. It made me SO mad. I just wanted to tear the book to shreads with my TEETH! And then go and demand that Meyer be put in jail for such CRUELTY!
GAAAAA!
Stupid, stupid, stupid.
I hate it. I hate it. I HATE IT!
How could she do that? Wake up, honey, the whole world isn't a FUCKING fairytale. She got the gist of that in book 2, but why couldn't you just have let Bella die when she jumped off the cliff and then make everything about Jacob and Leah and Alice and all the GOOD characters, well, the ones that were good until you DEMOLISHED them!
I'm pissed. Seriously pissed. I would throw this book into the fire if it wasn't for my grandmother PRE-ordering it...THREE months ahead of time!
I need to talk to her because she likes to get into conversations about it and I NEED to hear her opinion on how everything was so shitty.

HP7.....
WHY did Harry and Ginny end up together?!
I don't feel ANYTHING coming from them....I mean, COME ON, HARRY, she's your BEST FRIEND'S SISTER! At least it wasn't as bad as BD, but what the HELL happened to LUNA!?!?! I loved Luna!
Grrrrrrr.
GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!
How in the world am I suppose to go to school so PISSED OFF?!
RAAAAA!

SM....
Hold off on Midnight Sun indefinitely?
Psssh, yeah, my ASS.
Publicity.
P-U-B-L-I-C-I-T-Y! The stupid fame got to her stupid, little head. Is everything all right in perfect land, Meyer? She must be looney. That explains it all.

And on the "ordinary girl who we could all relate to" thing. I do NOT REALTE to BELLA AT ALL! What the hell?! Where's my fucking vampire, eh? Is EVERYONE going to get shiny, perfect creatures that may or may not have extra cool, sci-fi powers?! You're shitting me.
Realte to "ordinary girl" Bella.
That's the funniest, fucked-up thing I've ever heard.
*laughs* Relate to Bella.
Relate to Bella.
I would have related to her more if she had DIED!
BD makes me think of those sucky romance novels that try to go fantasy/sci-fi. All kissy, kissy this; kissy, kissy that. "Oh, Edward, fuck me! Then, bite the pillow because I just WANT to be covered in feathers! Don't you think its...kinky?" *wiggles eyebrows* Oh, its kinky alright, but not in a good way.
PIECE of SHIT!
*sigh*
I think I'm good.
....FUCK THIS!

EDIT: Only book that I was truly satisfied with the ending was Skinny. It was good. I want to read Thirteen Reasons Why, though...
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[DaniLovesDasey]

Just read BD, and I HAVE to bump this.

I'm just going to narrow this down as best I can...

-I guess Stephanie forgot all about the initial rule that she made crystal clear from the start of the series: vampires are devoid of human fluids - no sweat, tears, SPERM.. so how the HELL did Edward manage to knock Bella up? I mean, did I miss something in a previous book that negates this?

-Jacob imprinting on Renessme was disgusting. Pedophiliac, amoral, just so effing WRONG on so many levels. I absolutely hate the sexist vibe I got from this entire book.

-Honeymoon scene = WTF. There is such thing as rough sex and then there is abuse. Although Edward biting into the pillow was hilarious, Bella's bruises just.. weren't.

-Rosalie/Jacob are hilarious, but Rosalie was SO unlikable in this book. I wanted to kill her.

-Bella officially became unbearable in this book. I mean, she was always annoying but once she became a vampire, she was like Sally times a million. And don't even get me started on her 'daughter'. Personally, if I were pregnant (with a mutant child nonetheless) and I learned that it would kill me if I gave birth to it, would I have it? Uhhh no effing way! Bella was stupid, and really should have died paying the consequences of giving birth to a vampire baby.

-WTF, Renessme? What kind of name is that anyway? Not even getting started on her character..

-I hate how SM just threw a young girl's life out the window. Screw any academic future, all she needs is a baby and a perfect vampire husband and her life will be filled with joy and happiness for all eternity. GMAFB. The themes expressed throughout this book were so sexist it's ridiculous.

-The whole scene of Bella giving birth was an absolute disgrace. It was gruesome, sadistic and a complete mockery out of something that's supposed to be a natural human experience. I mean, it's bad enough that Bella gave birth to the spawn jeopardizing her life in the process, but must the spawn gnaw through her body like some alien mutant out of a cheesy horror flick, mutilating her? This.. disgusted me.

-Is it is just me or was the writing just off? It's like it was written by a different person.

There. Now that I have finally gotten to reading this book, time to burn it.

Oh and off topic but.. I actually liked HP7. Sure the ending was SO cliche, but I'm glad that Harry got his happy ending. I mean COME ON, this guy has been through hell and back since he was 11 years old; even before that, having to live with those awful Dursleys. At the end, he finally knw what it was like to live a normal life - or atleast a normal life of a wizard rofl. He deserved to get married and have kids of his own, and although it was cheesy, I LOVE how he honoured Dumbledore's, Snape's, and his parents' memory by naming his kids after them. As for Ginny, I'm actually glad she ended up with Harry. Even though her sudden transformation from book 6 was "WTF" worthy, I liked older Ginny much more. As for Ron/Hermione, heh I love them. Their on-off fighting always reminded me a bit of Dasey. So over all.. I thought the ending of HP7 was not too bad. Although the idea of a dark, unexpected ending like Voldemort winning would have been cool, it would have felt too incomplete to me.

[December'sRose]

Okay, I'm so not going to post my rant because that's just like copy/pasting all the previous, posted opinions.

So, I'll keep it short: I hated Breaking Dawn.

Truly, hated it.

I seriously forced myself to finish reading. My copy of it is on my desk, and it hasn't been opened since August.

@DaniLovesDasey: From Meyer's site.

[December'sRose]

Okay, I'm so not going to post my rant because that's just like copy/pasting all the previous, posted opinions.

So, I'll keep it short: I hated Breaking Dawn.

Truly, hated it.

I seriously forced myself to finish reading. My copy of it is on my desk, and it hasn't been opened since August.

@DaniLovesDasey: From Meyer's site.
Vampires and pregnancy: when did that idea occur to you? How does that work?

The first seed (no pun intended) was planted when I did Bella's computer research in chapter seven of Twilight. Bella reads about several real vampire legends?the Danag, Estrie, Upier, etc. In the novel, I only mentioned a few of the many legends I read through. One that I didn't mention at this point was the entry on the Incubus. The unique feature about that legend was that the incubus could father children. Hmmm, I said, and I filed that kernel of an idea away for later. When I decided to write the first sequel to Twilight (Forever Dawn), I knew it was going to revolve around a hybrid baby from the outset.

When my editor and I decided to go back and really develop Bella's last year of high school, I did so with the knowledge that it was all going to end up with the events in Breaking Dawn. Everything I wrote was pointed in that direction.

I was always very careful when I answered the "Can vampires have babies?" question, because I didn't want to say anything incorrect, but I also didn't want to make the future super-obvious. I focused my answers on the female half of the equation?female vampires cannot have children because their bodies no longer change in any aspect. There is no changing cycle to begin with, and their bodies couldn't expand to fit a growing child, either. I purposely evaded answering the question, "Can a male vampire get a human female pregnant?" to preserve a tiny bit of surprise in the last book. There were many statements on this subject purported to have come from me, but I never made those comments because, obviously, I knew where this was going.

Now, on to the "how is this possible?" question. First of all, of course it's not possible. None of this story is possible. It's a fantasy story about creatures that don't actually exist. Within the context of the fantasy, however, this is how it works:

Vampires are physically similar enough to their human origins to pass as humans under some circumstances (like cloudy days). There are many basic differences. They appear to have skin like ours, albeit very fair skin. The skin serves the same general purpose of protecting the body. However, the cells that make up their skin are not pliant like our cells, they are hard and reflective like crystal. A fluid similar to the venom in their mouths works as a lubricant between the cells, which makes movement possible (note: this fluid is very flammable). A fluid similar to the same venom lubricates their eyes so that their eyes can move easily in their sockets. (However, they don't produce tears because tears exist to protect the eye from damage, and nothing is going to be able to scratch a vampire's eye.) The lubricant-venom in the eyes and skin is not able to infect a human the way saliva-venom can. Similarly, throughout the vampire's body are many versions of venom-based fluids that retain a marked resemblance to the fluid that was replaced, and function in much the same way and toward the same purpose. Though there is no venom replacement that works precisely like blood, many of the functions of blood are carried on in some form. Also, the nervous system runs in a slightly different but heightened way. Some involuntary reactions, like breathing, continue (in that specific example because vampires use the scents in the air much more than we do, rather than out of a need for oxygen). Other involuntary reactions, like blinking, don't exist because there is no purpose for them. The normal reactions of arousal are still present in vampires, made possible by venom-related fluids that cause tissues to react similarly as they do to an influx of blood. Like with vampire skin?which looks similar to human skin and has the same basic function?fluids closely related to seminal fluids still exist in male vampires, which carry genetic information and are capable of bonding with a human ovum. This was not a known fact in the vampire world (outside of Joham's personal experimenting) before Nessie, because it's nearly impossible for a vampire to be that near a human and not kill her.

I didn't get into all of these details at my signings because it's a long, complicated mouthful. Also, it's hard to be clearly heard with all the screaming. Mostly, though, I waited to do this in writing because I have an immature, Homer Simpson-like tendency to giggle when I say the words "seminal fluids" in public.

Ahaha, I feel sorry for my friends who work at the Hot Topic here. Apparently, there's going to be a listening party for the new soundtrack the day HSM3 comes out. They're going to be swarmed with Twihards demanding the release of Bella's Lullaby, while I on the other hand will be having a life...looking up the lullaby on youtube a later date.
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[Bluerow]

I didn't realize there were so many haters here...wow. Well, I must say just because BD was a disgraceful pimple on the Twilight series, doesn't mean I don't still love the other three books.
I just read the other three and ignore BD. I don't even talk about BD...mostly out of habit b/c all of my friends love it. YUCK.
Anyway, I come up with my own endings instead...like ones where Leah and Jacob get together.
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[somerdaye]

Haha, I'm part of Team Trilogy, too (pretending BD doesn't exist)

And I like your ending better
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